>> the murder/suicide with joe vaughn belcher, prompting the rant. >> handguns do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate our arguems and bait us into confront egg. in the coming days, javaughn

belcher's actions will be analyzed. who knows? but here is what i believe. if he doesn't possess a gun, he and cassandra perkins would both be alive today. >> costas was quoting jason whitlock and immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting, you tune in for a football game and end up listening to bob costas spewing sarchght moanuous drek. >> where are we headed here? >> bob costas, based on the standards of our society today and the standards of our industry deserves to be fired. >> he's allowed to have his opinion, just like we are all allowed to have our opinion on this show. so, yes, that's what he does at half-timey we want to ban guns

because the gun kills the person. >> you want to get a political lecture, by the rantings on the left, i suggest bob costas go to work for ms-nbc. >> whitlock's right. if there is no gun here, nobody's dead. so i don't know what the issue is to take issue with. >> i don't get the sense that he was calling for specific legislation or saying, here's what he should do. >> how come costas gets to express his opinion during half-time of sunday night football? the answer's simple -- because that's the opinion of his bosses. >> these are difficult, difficult issues that need to be addressed. and as far as this football issue right here, yes, if he doesn't have a gun, they are both alive. >> the idea that we now live in a society where people can't even express an opinion because it's so offensive to people's sensibilities is very concerning to me. >> whitlock basically said, look, all i know is this, if the guy didn't have a gun, he and the girl would be alive today.

we don't know that, sadly. >> it's nfl sunday. it's half-time. god bless america's playing in the background. do i really want bob costas giving us a dissertation on the second amendment? >> no! >> why -- how is that courageous? >> because he knows he's going to take a lot of heat. people like you are going to say, alternates the second amendment -- [overlapping dialogue] >> night imitation. well done. >> you got all the gun laws in the world, somebody wants a gun, they are going to go get one. it's called crime. >> we want to know what you think of bob costas' gun control lecture at half-time. much more on this very heated controversy coming up later in the show. tonight, what a mess. just hours ago, house republicans sent president obama a new offer to avoid the fiscal cliff, a counter offer to president obama's plan, proposing raising $800 billion from tax reform, not higher tax rates. but the white house immediately slammed the offer and said it

won't even consider it. tonight, speaker boehner's response to the white house response, saying it's up to the president to come up with a plan. allen west is here. good evening. >> good evening. >> your thoughts, apparently the white house is unimpressed with the proposal by the speakert and white house republicans? >> i think the white house needs to do case studies, calvin coolidge and president john f. kennedy, when you look at what they did with lowering tax rates and increase revenues. calvin coolidge went from 73% to 24%. john f. kennedy from 91% to 71%. they increased revenues. we are not talking about what the president is looking at with his wealth redistribution, we are talking about wealth expansion, economic growth and sound policies to do that. if you want to continue to believe that $250,000 makes someone rich, you are going to crush the small business owners who run at subchapter "s,"

llcs and we are talking about capital gains from 15 to 25%. that will affect investment. we are talking about dividends from 15 to thirty four 33.44%. death tax to a 55% bracket and the minimum exemption from $5 million to $1 million. look at the farmers, especially in south florida. what will happen with the people trying to pass on their businesses? something we talked about before wecame on air, there are 20 new taxes in the health care law above and beyond the tax structure. >> we were looking at -- the irs has new rules for investment income on capital gains and dividends in the health care law. 3.8% surtax goes into effect for people who make more than $200,000. if you are married it's $250,000 jointly. you would be better off getting divorced. >> have you a real estate transaction, a financial transaction tax. you have this medical device tax. you have a 10% tanning tax.

so all of these things are going to come together. this is not just something that is going to affect the quote/unquote wealthy top 2% income, it's going to affect all americans. >> do you think the president sent his proposal up through the secretary of treasury geithner that he deliberately made his quite far reaching, for instance, he wantses to have additional stimulus money, he wants monee. >> $50 million -- billion more. >> i am sure that that sent a chill up the spine of most house republicans. do you think he did that as a negotiating tactic? you put the worst-case scenario and say you don't want it to have something else. >> i don't understand the mind of the president when it comes to this. $1.6 trillion in new tax, does nothing for the debt. one of the things he asks for is complete authority to raise the debt limit. we are not serious about this $16 trillion i. do you think he was serious about that? >> obviously, he sent it over there. >> i know, but the idea that you would give a president, whether

it's there president or another president, when we are so far in debt, they want a credit card with unlimited credit so he never has to ask congress to raise the debt ceiling? >> i have to say that, if he wasn't serious, this is not a joke. we need someone to be serious about the spending. we have a federal government that spends 25% of our gdp. people are jumping up and down, the facty that we got a 2.7% gberksdp growth. that's nothing. ronald reagan had us clicking at 7 to 8% right now, coming out of the carter recession. so we are far from being out of the woods yet. >> there is some conservative organizations, americans for prosperity that was unhappy with speaker boehner's proposal. so he is getting hit by his own team. >> i think this is a very pragmatic proposal that the speaker has laid out, to say that we can generate revenue, not from raising rates, but from reducing the exemptions that are

out there. i think we ought to start looking at the six tax brackets and bring it to 2 and flat tax this thing out. >> does that mean, i take tyou are behind the proposal. >> do i stand behind that. one thing i would want to make sure, we cannot compromise our principle, when we talk about the limited government and the growth. when we talk about fiscal responsibility, you can't compromise that. that is what has us in the problems we have right now. are the members of the caucus in the house, are they behind this? >> we just got back in today. this letter was delivered today. i am sure we will find out more about it with the conference meeting. >> would you urge them to get behind it. >> i would urge them. we cannot compromise our principles and do the same thing in washington, d.c. if it means doing what the in democrats wan. >> suzanna martinez, does she represent the republican party's future?

she is the first feneal male hispanic governor and a possible 2016 presidential candidate. on the weekend, "on the record" went to talk one on one with the governor. but first, she tookitous her family's business in el paso, texas. governor, where are we? >> we are at... the place is my brother's business. but this is where my parents started their business in the late 70s. they were in existence 25 years. >> this is foreign prrps -- property. you are the governor of new mexico, but they let you come here? >> they do. when your parents started this business, how many -- how much money -- >> truly, we lived paycheck to paycheck. when they started the business, i thought they were insane. we had no savings. they started out with a few security guards, my father was a security guard, i was a security guard. my mother was the office --

working in the office. at the beginning, she worked out of the kitchen at our house because we didn't have this building. and so i used to work at a catholic bingo in the parking lot, making sure no one was breaking into the cars at nighttime. >> i understand you were armed. it was a republican national convention, you spoke about being armed. >> my dad was a cop. beforehand. so he wanted to make sure i had the proper equipment to be a security guard so i got certified at 18 and hia .357 magnum and the uniform, badge, whole 9 yards, walked the parking lot. >> was it a family business where it was a nonstop business? >> for my mother and father, initially, yes. my mother continued to work her day job. she was an office assistant. at night, we would do the books. so it was constant for her. i was in college at daytime and i was a security guard at nighttime. so my dad, of course, was

hustling for the contracts, any chance he had. >> why do you think someone start ace small business? why did your father do this? did he get sick of being a police officer? >> he wanted to work for himself and be able to -- decide to make decisions for himself, as to how big or small he wanted the business to be. he wanted to be his own boss. >> your brother has the store. there have been some modifications. >> yes. >> hi, how are you. >> was she a good sister -- [laughter] >> what's the story? what don't we know? >> bossy. [laughter] >> she always wanted things done her way. >> her way or no way. >> yeah. even when she was really young, my grandmother labeled her -- [speaking spanish] -- which means the little lawyer, which means she could always talk and make a lot of sense. >> you didn't get the bug to be

a small business opener, but you were involved. you have an interest in pol tirks you didn't want to be secretary, you wanted to be president of the student council. you wanted to be a lawyer because you bossed your brother around, right? >> [laughter] >> right. >> why did you become a lawyer? >> i became a lawyer because i thought you had to be a lawyer in order to get into national politics. i actually wanted to get into politics since -- probably eighth grade freshman. i would watch the debates, senators and congressmen on television. i think -- i would like to do that, i think. i think i want to become something like that. most of them are lawyers. so i thought i had to be a lawyer. i started down that path. when i was a freshman, there were two teachers who actually talked -- they pulled together some young girls and we talked about careers. where do you want to be in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years? what is your plan in life? i thought, i want to be a mayor

of a city because i didn't have -- a role model beyond that. so they said, why just the mayor? why would you stop there? i said, well, you are here in el paso, you didn't see -- i just didn't see anyone at a higher level in government. they said, why not -- you know, think about being a governor or think about being something else? that was the first time i really thought, i can -- i don't have to limit myself. >> back in new mexico, governor martinez takes us to the place where in 2009, she first announced her run for governor. >> all right. this is where you made the announcement for governor? >> it is. you are a republican? >> yeah. >> how does that happen? that doesn't sound -- there is something there. >> we became friends throughout the years. and i was district attorney, i ran for district attorney, was very supported financially, provided food for all of my

events. i considered him a friend. i wanted to earn the respect and the vote of democrats. and so i thought this was a perfect place to start to build that bipartisan relationship i wanted if i ever became governor. >> there is a law here. i understand it, you can be here in this state illegally, in this country and you can get a driver's license. you want to change that? why in. >> new mexicans want to change it. >> why? >> the law was first passed because they wanted to increase the number of insured drivers. it did nothing for that. the bottom of the country as far as verdict drivers. >> what is that about? >> 2005. >> okay. >> so what it did was brought in a criminal industry into the new mexico, organized crime. people who are charging $2,000 to $5,000 to be provided with illegal documents, fraudulent

documents, claiming you are a resident when you are not, with a contract for an apartment complex, utilities, bank records, et cetera. we don't know if your real name is on the documents. go to the dmv, get a driver's license. they can exchange that for any other state. and then you are -- you are, you know, under the radar. we don't know where you are. the law intended was for someone who lived in new mexico. and now we have people from all over the world who are here rill legally who are paying to get that new mexico driver's license. >> straight ahead, more with governor martinez. is she planning to make a run for the white house in 2016? she answers that question, next. senator lindsay graham saying the crazy bastards at gaunt -- guantanamo bay should not be brought to u.s. soil. that's what he said. he's coming up. [ male announ] red lobster's hitting the streets

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>> state's republican governor, susana martinez. senator harry reid said in 2010 when you were running his son was also running for governor in nevada. he said joa i don't know how ane of hispanic heritage could be a republican. >> i find that disappointing that anyone would think that we're not independent thinkers. i'm an independent thinker. i am a woman. i am a republican, and i think for myself, and i decide where i vote and how i vote, and to make a statement like that is to assume that we are not independent thinkers, and we are. >> greta: you've had a pretty

highly contested primary for governor. governor sarah palin came out and supported you, right? >> she did. >> greta: what do you think about governor palin's political career and how the public responded to her and the media? >> i think certainly she is someone that has made a difference in the run party and in the tea party. she has caused a lot of interest to come about in reference to the issues. she speaks a lo a lot about dift issues and how strong she feels about them. i was pleased for her to come and support me. i think it made a difference. i also think that she is still very available to give her opinion in reference to politics and where america's going and whether we're on the right track or not. i think she's certainly free to do that. i was pleased to receive her endorsement. >> greta: when you became governor, you inherented a in--d

a deficit. do you remember what it was? >> yes. the day before the election, the general election, it was $250 million. >> greta: million? >> uh-huh. keep in mind, the state budget is only 5.6 billion, so the day before the general election we were having it reported as $250 million. the day after the election it came $450 million. >> greta: what happened in those 24 or 48 hours? >> certainly the administration that was in place was not being truthful with the public, and so the day after i certainly was informed that the deficit was much bigger. >> greta: how does that happen? weren't the figures public? i mean, i assume that people were following and reporting on governor richardson as a steward of the economy here. >> no. that was not what was happening. when was coming out -- what was coming out of the governor's office were figures that were not being honest with the people.

>> greta: you must have just about fallen over when you saw the number jump in a period of 24 or 48 hours. >> absolutely. it was a number that i knew we had to deal with. i knew we had to deal with $2 50 million. i guess we'll have to dea do wht the rest of the people are doing is tighten our belts and figure out how to solve the problem. when i was running for office, i was committed to not raising taxes. i was going to balance the budget and make sure that we were not going to raise taxes so that we could really continue to be competitive in bringing businesses to new mexico. grow our economy so that that deficit will never come back again. >> greta: well, a fast way to get money is to cut spending or eliminate waste and grow the economy. growing the economy takes a bit of time. i take it that it was expense cutting because you went to -- you balanced your budget. >> i did. i presented a budget and the governor is expected to present a budget, and in that budget, my budget actually increased spending in medicaid and in

education. my proposed budget but also trimmed back, for example, i trimmed back on the number of exempt employees. >> greta: what's that mean? >> people who answer just to the governor versus classified employees who you have to -- you can only get rid of an employee for cause. >> greta: so it's basically civil service versus appointments. >> exactly. governor richardson had grown the number of exempt employees by over 340. i have it down to i think 212 at this time. i got rid of the two chefs that were assigned to the residence. we sold the jet that governor richardson had purchased. we sold the jet in addition to four other planes. we cut the exempt employees. no one was going to hernandez ee than $125,000 for cabinet secretary. we were going to cut back on salaries significantly. i mean, with we went through the

budget tooth and nail from cell phones and take home cars and i put a moratorium on the purchase of brand new cars for two years. i mean, we went through it in a way that had never been done before. we balanced it, and we got a surplus. >> greta: the method that you employed and your democratic house and senate, do you think that would be an effective way on the national level, or is the federal government so vastly different because your remedies seem quite straight forward and simple, but would they translate on a national level? >> well, certainly cutting spending is one of the things that can trans end to the federal government. i think the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds, and they need to look where do they need to cut. i'm not sure that washington is at such a gridlock they're not willing to even really look at where is the excess, where do we cut? it can't be across the board. >> greta: i take it from that

you're opposed to just letting us go off the fiscal cliff because that takes cuts straight across the board. >> it does. it makes those cuts across the board. new mexico will actually feel enormous impact. unfortunately, new mexico depends significantly on federal dollars. we have four military bases here in new mexico. we have two national labs that are very important to our national defense, and so we could possibly lose 20,000 jobs. >> greta: health care exchanges. you're setting them up. some republican governors are not. why did you decide to set them up? >> well, we're moving in that direction but we're still negotiating with the federal government, and we're negotiating for flexibility. we're negotiating for what is best for new mexicans instead of the one size fits all that's coming from washington, dc. where can we be flexible that best serves newmexicans. we've asked many questions of

the president and we're hoping for answers it's been several months that we've been asking these questions and haven't received responses, but if at the end of the day the responses are not what benefit new mexicans, we can always allow the federal government to push forward those exchanges. >> greta: it's no secret that there are a lot of eyes on you on 2016. you're a woman, you're a governor, you're hispanic. any thoughts on running for president in 2016? >> no thoughts on that. i am running for reelection for the governor of new mexico. i want to make sure that i fulfill the promises that i made to new mexicans. that's extremely important to me. >> greta: before leaving new mexico, we also got to meet the governor's very sweet sister. >> how is your sister doing as governor. >> very good. >> greta: very good? >> yes. >> greta: tell me more.

>> she's the greatest sister i never had. >> greta: she's a good sister. she loves you. >> yeah. everybody does. thanks very much. >> greta: do you watch us on tv? yes. >> greta: you're going to keep watching her? >> yeah. do you remember watching her on seltelevision. yes. >> tell her about your birthday party at the governor's house. >> yes i had a birthday party at the governor's house. >> greta: really? was it fun? >> yeah. >> greta: is it a nice house? >> yeah. >> greta: were the dogs there? >> yeah. >> greta: how old were you? >> how old did you become? >> 55. >> 55. whoa. you don't look 55. >> greta: happy birthday. the governor is a guardian for her disabled sister who you just met. there's much more of our interview with governor susana martinez. go to gretawire.com. up next, senator lindsay graham.

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>> the people who attacked us on 9/11 want to destroy our way of life. they don't want to steal your car, they don't want to break into your house. we have an american prison being well run, bowie -- so the american people are saying, have

you lost your mind?! we're at war. >> senator lindsay graham letting us know where he stands. >> that was colorful. >> president obama has been reluctant to create a legal system here at home that i feel comfortable with, so let's leave them. >> he ran on closing gitmo in 2008. and that hasn't happened. >> right. >> is it your idea that we should keep them indefinitely detaind? what about any sort of trial or due process or anything? >> they are all getting trials down there. all of them -- have been to... habeas judges. they have a right to go before a

federal judge. no one is held at gitmo without an independent judiciary. if they are going to be tried, they should be tried in military court. those who attackeddous 9/11, they are war criminals. >> if we are going to detain them, what is the difference between detaining them -- why would the president want to detain them in the territory of the united states? i know there was a prison in illinois that was discussed. if they are going to be detained, does it make a difference where we detain them? >> i think these are not common criminals. they are high-value terrorist targets, keeping them away from population centers is smart. >> why would he want want that? i can't get the down side on this. >> gitmo has created an image problem for us because there was abuse there is early on. the president's been cleaned up. it's well run. the problem viwith the prt president is in closing guantanamo bay and moving the united states, i want a legal regime that knows these are not common criminals, but war

criminals and they represent a military threat. i have been a lawyer for 30 years, it is to hold them off the battlefield and gather intelligence. if they are going to be tried, they ought to be tried by military commissions. al qaeda is a military threat, the difference of fight egg war and a crime is significant. i don't think this president understands the difference. >> i haven't seen gitmo, but i have -- >> you should go down there. >> i have seen a lot of u.s. prisons. my guess is that gitmo is probably nicer than a lot of these u.s. prisons itch the best-run -- yes. >> i would guess. i am trying to figure out -- >> why don't you go with me? >> i will go you with you. >> it's the best-run military prison in the world. i am proud of the fact that we are holding people humanely. but i am insist that he went we fight this as a war. the people down there are warriors, they need to be held off the battlefield. >> my guess is that someone would rather be detained at

gitmo than the prisons in the united states, but that's just a wild guess. let me ask you about the fiscal cliff. where do we stand i. on the edge. >> stabbing on the edge. i understand that. >> kijust say what i want to avoid -- what i want more than anything else is to get the country out of debt in a permanent way. the big problem with us becoming greece is not revenue, it is not the tax code, it's entitlements. 10,000 baby boomers retire a day. social security and medicare are about $50 trillion under funded combined. we need to adjust the age for retirement, slowly but surely for people under 55 because we are living longer. you and i need to pay more because we can fore it. that's the entitlement reform we need to avoid becoming greece. >> there are two things you can do. you can do nothing. three things. you can do nothing. you can imagine it. or you can solve it. managing is limping along, lots of risks and recognizing that more baby boomers are coming

along. management is going to get much more of a cataclysmic situation. >> that's a good point. the longer you wait to solve tthe harder it is. if we do nothing, social security runs out of money in 2033. medicare goes broke in 2024. and to fix tyou would have to increase taxes by one-third, for the entire population or cut benefits by 28%. if do you it now, you could save the benefit stream for those who need it the most, ask people likeny pay more and reduce my benefits because kiafford to take that hit. the sooner you do it, the easier it is for us all this. problem, my biggest problem with president obama, he is a small-minded president in big times. he is talking about 35 versus 39.6 for people who make over $1 million. that doesn't get -- >> that should pay eight days. >> eight days. i am talking about working as republicans and democrats like tip o'neill and ronald reagan. i am not asking --

>> or even governor morteen nez new mexico. -- >> let's do it together. you know, medicare eye am not asking to become a vouchir program. i am not asking to privatize social security f. we adjusted the age of retirement over the next 30 years, like ronald reagan and tip ooh neil adjusted the cpi index and means-tested benefits, we could save medicare and social security from insolvency and people need the programs. and we would get our kids and grandkids out of this economic situation. why the president doesn't take our offer up to reform entitlements and generate more revenue. i am for generating more revenue, only if we get entitlement reform. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the half-time show turned gun control lecture, bob costas has a televised lecture. is the sportscaster out of line in that's next. by now, you probably know, kate middleton is expecting.

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convenience store cob frontations over music coming from car will leave teenage boys bloody and dead. they bait ugg us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it. >> ink jo us, ou jointly us is l panel. what do you think. appropriate, inappropriate, something in between. >> leading the subject matter aside, it's a real hot potato. you make comments about that using space on the air waves, you're going to get a huge reaction. but whether or not he used that platform was appropriate is a different question. i think if he had said what he said there on twitter or on facebook or in another place, he would have gotten a reaction but not the enormous reaction that this prompted because he used

what is traditionally a perch in journalism where you don't hole forth like a political talk show host and give commentary on something except for football. it was a football game, and that will be the question. people are saying that nbc should fire him. that's what they're talking about. they're not talking about the subject matter. >> we can say that faster. it was totally inappropriate. i mean, remember when the controversy of rush limbaugh was going to do commentary on an nfl games, and my goodness, this would be political commentary during an nfl game. you can't have that. well, that's exactly what we got, and i mean, it's a perfectly legitimate topic to talk about. i mean, if he had been on a sunday show or on a talk radio show about the news, but this was a football game. it was completely inappropriate arfor him to editorialize in ths way. >> i think karen feels differently. >> i don't understand why this is such a controversy. this man is paid for giving his opinions about topics and issues involving sports.

this was a gigantic sports story. he has often talked, in fact, about cultural issues involving sports. you can disagree with him. you can say that his reasoning was flawed, but again, this is a man who is paid, and this was a gigantic sports story. >> well, it was -- look. it was a sports story in the sense that the criminal here was a football player, but this whole thing seemed to get kind of out of context on espn. there seemed to be more memorializing of the killer who later killed himself than there was for the murder victim in this case, and this thing just kind of spiraled out of control. > >> greta: i mean, it's an important topic. we all agree that these topics are important, but there's something sacred about sunday night football or "monday night football", families sit around. i don't want to be lectured by bob costas on anything, whether i agree with him or not.

i don't know. maybe that's just me. that's my only thought. could you do it after the show? could you do it after the game? you don't agree, though? >> i guess i don't consider football halftime sacred. >> greta: obviously you're not packer fan. there's something seriously wrong with you. >> i'm from halftime is when everybody goes to get their beer. >> greta: there's a good point to that. >> again, if he said it somewhere else, it wouldn't be the reaction, but it was kind of a blind side. he took an opportunity to use his perch in a way that is not what he's paid to do. >> and he also took a real position on this. he took a very pro gun control position. apparently an nbc spokesman said that costas is in favor of common sense gun control, whatever that means. >> he has since done an interview with the "new york times" where he said he's absolutely not, you know, against the second amendment, that he just believes that the gun culture is too pervasive. >> so he was not saying well,

this is going to ignite a debate inside sports. he was actually taking a position on the extremely hot issue. >> greta: if nothing else, even if he has now done that, he's essentially put the spotlight on it whether he takes heat or not. panel, thank you. straight ahead, is fema ignoring victims of superstorm sandy? hundreds left homeless by sandy say yes and they let fema know is. you'll hear from one of the outragededededed

>> you think it's a joke? you want to switch houses for christmas? you sit there and laugh. you think it's a joke? you really think it's a joke? you go home for the holidays. i >> you go home for the holidays. i don't. >> tempers boiling over in a town hall meeting on storm-ravaged staten island. many of them left homeless by storm sandy, confront fema officials. tom was at the meeting. he joins us. i take this gentleman was not

the only one distraught with fema, is that right? >> of course. at almost everybody at that meeting has their different issues with fema whether, you know, you lost your whole house and you have flood insurance or you don't have flood insurance. so that's -- you know, where they are at. you know, some people lost half their house, cars... you know, there is a lot of discrepancy in how fema metes out the money. i can tell you stories where people -- i know two people who had the same amount of damage and one person -- and they live on the same type of concrete slab, foundation house. right? one person's floor was not their living quarters because they center three floors and one person's floor is their living quarters because they have only two floors. that person got $2,000 and she had 8 inch was water in her

living room on the first floor, which causes a lot of damage because it soaks up to all the dry wall. and this other person who -- it wasn't her living quarters, but she had more water, maybe a foot of water, got $11,000. so have you discrepancies like that. if you have flood insurance, all the people that have flood insurance are still waiting. i haven't heard of anybody getting a check or an advanced check. everybody has different carriers, but fema is the ultimate holder of the flood insurance. >> do you feel like-- the president said he's going to cuts through the red tape. governor christie -- we have only 30 seconds left. your thought on whether the president's still on top of this one. >> i am sure he is. i know he meant everything he said. but if you want to cut red tape, have you to cut red tape to cut the red tape.

it's terrible what had has happened to so many. tom, i hope that fema's watching and i hope that fema gets extra help and i hope they help you and everybody else in your area. thank you for joining us. you know, we will have you back if nothing's changed in two weeks or even a week. let us know. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, tom. >> coming up, mccain and kerry. is it a new comedy team? why the senators got big laughs on capitol hill today. that's next. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf.

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>> greta: 11:00 is almost here, flash studio lights it's time for last call. senator john mccain and john kerry taking good natured jabs at one another, each giving the other a new title. >> by ratifying this treaty we'd make it clear the best of america is worth exporting to people on a global basis. i hope would allow the opportunity to do that, senator mccain. >> thank you very much. mr. secretary. >> mr. president, this is what happens when you get two losers up here. >> greta: that is your last